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	<title>Comments on: British Radio Highlights Flawed Case for Statutory Psychotherapy Regulation</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenneth, thank you for your thoughtful input on this. I find myself both agreeing and disagreeing with some of what you&#039;ve said, and if I&#039;ve understood what you&#039;ve written correctly, I guess I would also want to dispute some of the logical structure of what you&#039;ve suggested -- but perhaps you can correct me if I&#039;ve just misunderstood.

You&#039;ve conceded that client variables are more important than treatment modalities but argued that this is exactly analogous to medicine, suggesting this is the case because, for instance, the sicker the patient the less likely there will be a good outcome. However, two important points seem to me to have been lost here... The first is that outcome studies (whether for effectiveness or efficacy) &lt;em&gt;control&lt;/em&gt; for differences in parameters like &quot;the sickness of the patient&quot; -- in other words, the conclusions of these studies refer to the effectiveness of different treatments &lt;em&gt;given&lt;/em&gt; that it didn&#039;t just so happen that one patient was in better health than the other. The second is that the &quot;fifteen percent that makes all the difference&quot; may differ wildly between the professional realms you cite, such as those of psychotherapists, surgeons, plumbers and electricians. If I had to take a wild guess, I would imagine that &quot;plumbing outcome&quot; is pretty close to 95% down to &quot;plumber factors&quot; such as plumber training, plumber choice of materials, etc. Likewise for &quot;electrical wiring outcome&quot;. Medicine broadly understood differs from either of these, because here client variables do emerge pretty noticeably (Hubble, et al. have some interesting material on the placebo effect which bears on this), but outcomes are still largely determined by the practitioner, once we have accounted for things like who was healthier to begin with. Psychotherapy, however, differs far more, because here the impact of specific practitioner variables dwindles to somewhere around the 15% figure you cite.

The argument for registration on the basis of effectiveness, however, really seems to me to come undone on the fact that the variables which typically figure in registration schemes for psychotherapy are almost entirely &lt;em&gt;irrelevant&lt;/em&gt; to (and in some cases are &lt;em&gt;inversely correlated&lt;/em&gt; with) clinical outcomes. This patently is not the case with electricians, plumbers, or physicians, where the types of skills and knowledge being measured are &lt;em&gt;strongly&lt;/em&gt; correlated with outcomes.

Having said all that, I agree with you about the role of regulating agencies in addressing ethical problems. I agree that it&#039;s very important to address the ethics violations you cite, such as beating clients or having sex with clients. Fortunately, I can fully support that specific aspect of regulation and agree with you on its importance -- while still rejecting other aspects of arguments commonly put forward in this area that so often spuriously link practitioner variables with outcomes, in outright contradiction with empirical research evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenneth, thank you for your thoughtful input on this. I find myself both agreeing and disagreeing with some of what you&#8217;ve said, and if I&#8217;ve understood what you&#8217;ve written correctly, I guess I would also want to dispute some of the logical structure of what you&#8217;ve suggested &#8212; but perhaps you can correct me if I&#8217;ve just misunderstood.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve conceded that client variables are more important than treatment modalities but argued that this is exactly analogous to medicine, suggesting this is the case because, for instance, the sicker the patient the less likely there will be a good outcome. However, two important points seem to me to have been lost here&#8230; The first is that outcome studies (whether for effectiveness or efficacy) <em>control</em> for differences in parameters like &#8220;the sickness of the patient&#8221; &#8212; in other words, the conclusions of these studies refer to the effectiveness of different treatments <em>given</em> that it didn&#8217;t just so happen that one patient was in better health than the other. The second is that the &#8220;fifteen percent that makes all the difference&#8221; may differ wildly between the professional realms you cite, such as those of psychotherapists, surgeons, plumbers and electricians. If I had to take a wild guess, I would imagine that &#8220;plumbing outcome&#8221; is pretty close to 95% down to &#8220;plumber factors&#8221; such as plumber training, plumber choice of materials, etc. Likewise for &#8220;electrical wiring outcome&#8221;. Medicine broadly understood differs from either of these, because here client variables do emerge pretty noticeably (Hubble, et al. have some interesting material on the placebo effect which bears on this), but outcomes are still largely determined by the practitioner, once we have accounted for things like who was healthier to begin with. Psychotherapy, however, differs far more, because here the impact of specific practitioner variables dwindles to somewhere around the 15% figure you cite.</p>
<p>The argument for registration on the basis of effectiveness, however, really seems to me to come undone on the fact that the variables which typically figure in registration schemes for psychotherapy are almost entirely <em>irrelevant</em> to (and in some cases are <em>inversely correlated</em> with) clinical outcomes. This patently is not the case with electricians, plumbers, or physicians, where the types of skills and knowledge being measured are <em>strongly</em> correlated with outcomes.</p>
<p>Having said all that, I agree with you about the role of regulating agencies in addressing ethical problems. I agree that it&#8217;s very important to address the ethics violations you cite, such as beating clients or having sex with clients. Fortunately, I can fully support that specific aspect of regulation and agree with you on its importance &#8212; while still rejecting other aspects of arguments commonly put forward in this area that so often spuriously link practitioner variables with outcomes, in outright contradiction with empirical research evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Peiser,Ph.D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that psychotherapy is not at all analogous to medical practice is an exaggeration.The fact that client variables are more important than treatment modalities is exactly the same as  in medicine.In general, the sicker the patient the less likely that there will be a good outcome.Also,the more resistant to treatment,the worse the predicted outcome.It&#039;s the fifteen percent that makes all the difference.Anybody can give a mostly heathy person good medical treatment by advising them for example,to stop smoking and eat more vegetables but only a well trained, experienced surgeon can remove a tumor.Anybody can help a normal adolescent adjust to college but only a well trained, experienced psychotherapist can help a seriously dysfunctional phobic client overcome their disabling condition.Regulating agencies can assure that a psychotherapist has had sufficient supervised experience.To remove my diseased lung I&#039;d choose a licensed physician and surgeon over a psychotherapist or a licensed plumber.To help me overcome my agoraphobia I&#039;d choose a licensed psychotherapist over a surgeon or a licensed electrician.Regulating agencies also can help prevent ethical problems by yanking the license of,for example,a child therapist who thinks it is good treatment to beat and have sex with his clients.I think that&#039;s pretty important.I,in short,think that regulation of psychotherapists is just as crucial and significant to the public as regulation of medical practioners.                                              Kenneth Peiser,Ph.D. Licensed psychologist,codirector Midwest Psychological Healthcare P.C.,coauthor &quot;Beat Your Addiction&quot;,Adams Media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that psychotherapy is not at all analogous to medical practice is an exaggeration.The fact that client variables are more important than treatment modalities is exactly the same as  in medicine.In general, the sicker the patient the less likely that there will be a good outcome.Also,the more resistant to treatment,the worse the predicted outcome.It&#8217;s the fifteen percent that makes all the difference.Anybody can give a mostly heathy person good medical treatment by advising them for example,to stop smoking and eat more vegetables but only a well trained, experienced surgeon can remove a tumor.Anybody can help a normal adolescent adjust to college but only a well trained, experienced psychotherapist can help a seriously dysfunctional phobic client overcome their disabling condition.Regulating agencies can assure that a psychotherapist has had sufficient supervised experience.To remove my diseased lung I&#8217;d choose a licensed physician and surgeon over a psychotherapist or a licensed plumber.To help me overcome my agoraphobia I&#8217;d choose a licensed psychotherapist over a surgeon or a licensed electrician.Regulating agencies also can help prevent ethical problems by yanking the license of,for example,a child therapist who thinks it is good treatment to beat and have sex with his clients.I think that&#8217;s pretty important.I,in short,think that regulation of psychotherapists is just as crucial and significant to the public as regulation of medical practioners.                                              Kenneth Peiser,Ph.D. Licensed psychologist,codirector Midwest Psychological Healthcare P.C.,coauthor &#8220;Beat Your Addiction&#8221;,Adams Media.</p>
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